Are the Christians the origens of Anti-Christ deceivers?

[toddvetter]

Matthew 18:16
But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’

1 Timothy 5:19
Do not receive an accusation against an elder except from two or three witnesses.
Same bible verse from two different bible versions; Single point in earths history. different story

Matthew 13:55 NIV
"Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?

below we see Josephs name left out and you find it in a foot note. What is clear is that this verse is referring to Jesus as the Son of the carpenter (Joseph).

Matthew 13:55 (New King James Version)
55 Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses,[a] Simon, and Judas?

In the next two verses for the same point in earths history as the prior two verses, we will see that the name Joseph is removed from the second verse but now Jesus is referred to as the Carpenter instead of the Carpenters Son. These two verses are for the same point in Earths history as the prior two verses we examined and if inspired by the holy spirit would not make false Claims about Jesus being a carpenter nor would they differ this greatly to make a false claim. Christ was a physician and we will present multiple witnesses for this truth.

Mark 6:3 NIV
"Where did this man get these things?" they asked. "What's this wisdom that has been given him, that he even does miracles! Isn't this the carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren't his sisters here with us?" And they took offense at him.

Jesus is referred to as the carpenter instead of being referred to as the Carpenters Son. More importantly the entire text in Red above is not in the NKJV below. The NIV implies strongly that Christ has recently acquired wisdom that he did not have while growing up around those who knew him. All four of these verses are from the same point in earths history yet differ greatly in what is presented when comparing the bible versions.

Mark 6:3 (New King James Version)
3 Is this not the carpenter, the Son of Mary, and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are not His sisters here with us?” So they were offended at Him.
Did Jesus ever claim to be a carpenter? I found the Physician job title repeated many times by Christ, yet not one time did Jesus claim to be a carpenter. The Mark 6:3 verse is the only bible verse which claims Christ was a carpenter.

Luke 4:23
He said to them, “You will surely say this proverb to Me, ‘Physician, heal yourself! Whatever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in Your country.’”

Matthew 9:12
When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.

Mark 2:17
When Jesus heard it, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

Luke 5:31
Jesus answered and said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.

The only bible verse to actually refer to Christ as a carpenter is Mark 6:3 which seems to be trying to Hide that Christ was really the Son of the Carpenter (Joseph). One verse is not what Christ promises to establish truth. Is the bible telling a lie and causing men to bare false witness by trying to imply that Jesus was a carpenter?

Luke 4:21-23 (New International Version)
21and he began by saying to them, "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing." 22All spoke well of him and were amazed at the gracious words that came from his lips. "Isn't this Joseph's son?" they asked.

John 1:45
Philip found Nathanael and told him, "We have found the one Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote—Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."

John 6:42
They said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, 'I came down from heaven'?"

Christ promised us at least two witnesses to establish truth. Why then is Matt chapter one proclaiming Mary to remain a Virgin after conception and implying that Christ was not the son of Joseph when we see so many verses that state clearly that Joseph was the Father of Christ? If Joseph was not the Father of Jesus then the Christ did not come according to the flesh according to Matt chapter one. Not a single verse refers to Joseph as a step Father. When cross referencing the ever changing versions of the bible (spirtual babylon) we see Joseph being eliminated or hidden.

What is the bible trying to hide from you by telling the lie that is presented in Matthew chapter one? Is it causing you to bare false witness? How many will speculate that Christ was a carpenter and a physician in order to justify a lie?

Christ never claimed to be a carpenter, but he did claim to be a physician and gave multiple witnesses for truth. Prophecy says Christ came according to the flesh and the bible in more than one location says he was the son of Joseph and from the line of David. Matthew Chapter one does not give multiple witnesses for truth and if you apply the application of the Isaiah 7 prophecy as your second witness you will always have contention with the Jews who own the language calling you a liar because the word Almah in Isaiah does not mean Virgin.

More witnesses for Joseph as Jesus' Father.

John 7:42
Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the seed of David and from the town of Bethlehem, where David was?”

Acts 2:29-30
29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day.
30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Romans 1:3
concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Romans 1
3regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David, and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead (Baptism of water and spirit fulfillment of Psalms 2:7) This declaration was made when he Rose from the Water, Not from the Tomb

2 Timothy 2:8
Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel,

1 John 4:2
By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,

1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

2 John 1:7( Beware of Antichrist Deceivers For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. (anti-christ testimony found in Matt chapter 1)

Very specific builders were in mind for building the house of David and it's for this reason that Joseph had to play a physical role in the conception of Christ.

2 Samuel 5:11
Then Hiram king of Tyre sent messengers to David, and cedar trees, and carpenters and masons. And they built David a house.

2 Kings 12:11
Then they gave the money, which had been apportioned, into the hands of those who did the work, who had the oversight of the house of the LORD; and they paid it out to the carpenters and builders who worked on the house of the LORD,

2 Kings 22:6
to carpenters and builders and masons—and to buy timber and hewn stone to repair the house.

1 Chronicles 14:1
[ David Established at Jerusalem ] Now Hiram king of Tyre sent messengers to David, and cedar trees, with masons and carpenters, to build him a house.

2 Chronicles 24:12
The king and Jehoiada gave it to those who did the work of the service of the house of the LORD; and they hired masons and carpenters to repair the house of the LORD, and also those who worked in iron and bronze to restore the house of the LORD.

Jesus referred to the human body as the temple of the Holy Spirit. Did God use the same builders when He made the Christ according to the Flesh?

AND in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God, unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 2. Now Joseph was a just and rational Mind, and he was skilled in all manner of work in wood and in stone. And Mary was a tender and discerning Soul, and she wrought veils for the temple. And they were both pure before God; and of them both was Jesu-Maria who is called the Christ. 3. And the angel came in unto her and said, Hail, Mary, thou that art highly favored, for the Mother of God is with thee: blessed art thou among women and blessed be the fruit of thy womb. 4. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found favor with God and, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb and bring forth a child, and He shall be great and shalt be called a Son of the Highest. 5. And the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: and he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 6. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her The Holy Spirit shall come upon Joseph thy Spouse, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, O Mary, therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Christ, the Child of God, and his Name on earth shalt be called Jesu-Maria, for he shall save the people from their sins, whosoever shall repent and obey his Law. 7. Therefore ye shall eat no flesh, nor drink strong drink, for the child shall be consecrated unto God from its mother's womb, and neither flesh nor strong drink shall he take, nor shall razor touch his head. 8. And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God no thing shall be impossible. And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. 9. And in the same day the angel Gabriel appeared unto Joseph in a dream and said unto him, Hail, Joseph, thou that art highly favored, for the Fatherhood of God is with thee. Blessed art thou among men and blessed be the fruit of thy loins. 10. And as Joseph thought upon these words he was troubled, and the angel of the Lord said unto him, Fear not, Joseph, thou Son of David, for thou hast found favor with God, and behold thou shalt beget a child, and thou shalt call his name Jesu-Maria for he shall save his people from their sins. 11. Now all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was written in the prophets saying, Behold a Maiden shall conceive and be with child and shall bring forth a son, and shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God Within Us. 12. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel had bidden him, and went in unto Mary, his espoused bride, and she conceived in her womb the Holy One.

[James Randolph]

It's nice that Todd Vetter so clearly shows that he despised the Bible. I got the feeling even before that these moon Sabbathers do not care about the Bible. Now we know what Todd Vetter considers better than the Bible: Nicolas Notovitch's forgery of a non-canonical Gospel which he perported to have found in a monastery in Tibet. He gives evidence for the moon Sabbath from that spurious writing, and denies the validity of the Bible. I'm so happy the real character of these moon sabbathers is now clear to everyone.

[dean_gokil]

i don't think so :idea:

[James Randolph]

Todd Vetter says it's a lie that he believes Notovitch's forgery. He believes Ouseley's forgery instead. Same time. Same place. Same heresy. Personally I think one crook is as bad as another, but if Todd Vetter likes Ouseley better, that's his right. Or wrong as the case may be.

[toddvetter]

Todd Vetter says it's a lie that he believes Notovitch's forgery. He believes Ouseley's forgery instead. Same time. Same place. Same heresy. Personally I think one crook is as bad as another, but if Todd Vetter likes Ouseley better, that's his right. Or wrong as the case may be.

Does the testimony I shared with you on this page illustrate that Jesus came according to the flesh?

I know I cam according to the flesh and unless you were born from a test tube.. you came according to the flesh.

The testimony I shared with you on this thread is validated by over 8 bible verses of testimony from Men. Nine OT Prophecies agree with this testimony as well.

Why is the only verse in the bible that says jesus did not come according to the flesh recorded in Matthew chapter one.

Why does the bible give two half truths for the conception? Every word found in Luke for the conception can be found in the testimony shared with you.

Those who claim Christ did not come according to the flesh is anti-christ. This is the entire Christian world. My claim is not a false claim if you belive Christ fulfilled all things in the Psamls concerning him. He would not have been concieved of the holy spirit until the day of his baptism of Water (repentance) and Spirit.

God Bless

[James Randolph]

God bless.
God bless Notovitch, who falsely claimed to find a new Gospel in a Tibetan monastery and gave the world one more forgery.
God bless Ouseley, who falsely claimed to have the Gospel of the Twelve from a Tibetan monastery and gave the world one more forgery.
God bless Nag Hammadi, where the real Gospel of the Twelve was found half a century after Ouseley's forgery.
God bless Todd Vetter, who can't tell the difference between the real thing and a forgery, but comes up with all kinds of private interpretation based on mixing Bible and forgery anyway.
God bless me, for not falling for it.
God bless us all, crooks and saints.
God bless.

[endtimeelijah]

Let everyone have their say, hold to that which is according to Creator's WORD - only His blessed Holy Spirit can establish His TRUTH in you.

[James Randolph]

Elijah,
Following the discussion here just affirms my belief in the sources of truth as tradition and Scripture, the Catholic position. I have a direct demonstration before my eyes of what private interpretation leads to. Let everyone have their say and the truth will come out. It doesn't work that way. What happens is that some people fall for soul-destroying nonsense that they could have avoided by sticking with tradition and Scripture. The arguments are confusing enough that people with low intelligence are taken in. That's why the principle of the Magisterium has to be maintained. The Church must teach without recourse to everyone's reason, because there are always people who are sure to find a reason for heresy.

[endtimeelijah]

John Knox, Martin Luther etc etc,
were renounced as heretics, and maybe in some things they were --
No one knows it all -- not even the oldest institution on earth.
Eternal Creator and His Truth are just too vast to be totally comprehended by finite minds. Otherwise, HE would be dethroned -- which is the position coveted by the enemy from before human history - according to the scriptures.
Truth can bear any scrutiny and does not object it - because it is seen as 'the naked truth' when all doubts are hacked away by questions of its validity.

i am instructed to 'knock and it shall be opened' ' seek and ye shall find' 'study to show thyself approved' 'you have no need that any man teach you' - blessed Holy Spirit will guide you into ALL TRUTH. That is my choice.

Some choose to be 'puppets' others 'pope-ets'.

[toddvetter]

Elijah,
Following the discussion here just affirms my belief in the sources of truth as tradition and Scripture, the Catholic position. I have a direct demonstration before my eyes of what private interpretation leads to. Let everyone have their say and the truth will come out. It doesn't work that way. What happens is that some people fall for soul-destroying nonsense that they could have avoided by sticking with tradition and Scripture. The arguments are confusing enough that people with low intelligence are taken in. That's why the principle of the Magisterium has to be maintained. The Church must teach without recourse to everyone's reason, because there are always people who are sure to find a reason for heresy.

Jesus never said to stick to traditions of men and scripture. He warned us of the traditions of men. If you look to searve the traditions of God you will find them very different from the traditions of Christianity. Jesus also said that though the scriptures testify of him. you must come to him if you are to have life.

Will you make a book and Christian tradition your God? or will you follow the traditions that are in in the book that were started by God and learn to keep the law so that you can come to the heavenly parent to have life?

The original posting of this thread presents historical testimony that illustrates Christ came according to the flesh. Christian traditions illustrate Christ did not come according to the flesh. The bible tells you that the Christians are of the spirit of Anti-Christ.